RE: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] saturday morning cartoons are evil

["Ross, Matt" <EMAIL:PROTECTED>]

The point is where are they getting it.  Prepubescensce doesn't
spontaneously create popular inuendo. As for the school, he's in a public
school, but in a rather small one in which his mother is involved to a great
extent.  As for why I call this perversion, the innuendo isn't about the
"natural reaction," but rather is about the reaction of someone who is
viewing people as nothing more than sex objects.  Being that reactive to a
woman behaving normally isn't natural.  The natural reaction you refer to
only comes with intimate stimulus, not with casual actions.  Leading
children to believe that it is proper for them to react in a sexual manner
with nothing more than a casual interaction is perversion.  There is nothing
new about perversion itself, the new feature is that it's being propogated
through cartoons directed toward children.  In the past, it had been the
overemphasis of sexual features in comic book characters.  Before that, it
had been artwork kept imprudently in various places.  Perversion exists
naturally, but that does not justify directly targeting children with it.
The effects of gradually increasing targetting of children include the so
called "sexual revolution" that has led to decadent lifestyles being not
only accepted, but promoted, despite their destructive tendencies.

-----Original Message-----
From: Spurling, Shannon [mailto:EMAIL:PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 4:36 PM
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Subject: RE: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] saturday morning cartoons are evil


Which brings us to the subject. What is perversion?
Yeah, like your little brother isn't getting it from the other kids. At that
age? They all get it. It's preparation for puberty. How soon we forget. You
will probably say he goes to a private school. Probably a church school. For
some reason those kids can be worse than public school kids. Trust me. He's
getting it from his friends. And it's not perversion. It's lewd behavior,
but perversion, by definition, is a lot worse than some innuendo about the
natural reaction of a man to a beautiful woman. 

Shannon Spurling
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ross, Matt [mailto:EMAIL:PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 3:18 PM
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I know my mind has been poluted, but where is my 10 yr old brother getting
it?  Considering its a taboo subject in our home, there are two remaining
sources, school and cartoons.  Considering the school doesn't teach it,
we're down to TV, which does include the innuendo, or his fellow students
who are as much limited in their exposure as he is.  Also, it is not
perversion to notice perversion.  To ignore blatant innuendo is naive at
best, not innocent.  

-----Original Message-----
From: Spurling, Shannon [mailto:EMAIL:PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 3:16 PM
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Which brings us to the very fun mind game of, lets act like what someone
said was lewd, and see how quickly they can make something out of it.
Seriously. You don't have to be a pervert, or think of any thing perverted.
If they have just the slightest bit of a dirty mind, you can make them think
you are a pervert by acting like every thing they said was dirty. Thing is,
trying to convince them that you didn't have a dirty thought in your head
when you did it. After all, your the pervert, right?:-)
I took the wing thing as being a very innocent expression of surprise,
myself. I could see how it could be taken as innuendo. I think some people
just have dirty minds. :-)

Shannon Spurling
WAN Engineer -Specialist

MOREnet, Network Services, Core Network
3212 LeMone Industrial Blvd.
Columbia, MO 65201

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-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan King [mailto:EMAIL:PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 2:33 PM
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Subject: RE: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] saturday morning cartoons are evil



On Mon, 5 Nov 2001, Ross, Matt wrote:

> Personally, I liked bug story much better than Antz.  Antz tried too hard
to
> capture a mature audience, while Bug Story didn't pretend to be more than
it
> was.  It stayed humorous for both adult and child.

Yes.  The shows I hate the worst (from the perspective of trying to enjoy
them with your kids) are ones that leave either the parents or the kids
completely stranded.  The best ones are shows that can maintain interest
for everybody *for extended periods of time*.  All of the Pixar stuff has
done that.

> As for Toy Story 2, I loved the "Buzz, I am your father" bit,

Obviously it was a great idea for all of the space toys to be completely
convinced of their real-ness (gotta be a factory defect) when they are
first opened.  My favorite line from both movies is almost certainly
Buzz's "Years of academy training...wasted!"  I'd have *loved* to see the
punch up session that line came from.

> but the bit with Buzz flipping up his wings when he saw the cowgirl
> was a bit 'mature' for the intended audience.

What; I'm not part of the intended audience? :-)  Seriously, the
wing-schwing move is...interesting in that all non-innocent
interpretations basically require you to be non-innocent.  No kid I've
ever seen watch the movie has interpreted this as anything but (at most)
a gesture of surprise.

jking



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